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March Hare
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Quote from JeffR :Racing brakes, being designed for racing, won't fade unless there is some type of failure.

That failure being that the driver uses them?
Where do you get these "facts"? I mean I'm not the best authority on racing but even I know basic thermodynamics.
Do you even know what causes brakes to fade?
March Hare
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Quote from Roadie :Well for the realism sake then.. Why do we have the readouts like F9 and F10? Tire heat and suspension damage. You don't get to see how hot your tires are irl, or how badly damaged your suspension is after you hit that wall...

No you can't but your pit crew can. That's what telemetry (remembered it this time) is for.

In LFS you are your own pit crew so I don't see how the F9 and F10 screens are so unreal.
March Hare
S2 licensed
What annoys me is anyone with the letter A in their racer name. It just looks wrong.

Seriously. I don't really care what other people call themselves. But I do laugh at people who use the kana characters to represent our alphabet in their racer names.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Search for: Top Gear : Generation game

And see whether new cars are actually faster than their older versions...

Or watch this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpGwyhjL-lI

Why do people want to change the old cars? Why not have new ones instead?
March Hare
S2 licensed
To make races more interesting for the spectators...
March Hare
S2 licensed
So that's power shifting.
I don't think my DFP can handle that. Maybe the devs should put blipping and cutting back.

Erm... Just noticed the title of this thread. Why are we discussing gear changes in a steering thread?
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March Hare
S2 licensed
A very big NO for adding steroids to the present road cars. Add new cars.

An american muscle car with a roaring V8, if you please. The only car class we don't have in LFS. Heaven in a straight line but hell in the corners
Would make the drag strip usefull too.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Maybe not brainless. Just illiterate.

You said:
Quote :obnoxious users who just shout, "shut up and live with it or piss off"

In which Bodhidharmazen answered:
Quote :Shouting is for the brainless.

So he was referring to those shouting. Not you. So time to brush up your reading comprehension skills. Eh, mate?
March Hare
S2 licensed
Are you using similar gear ratios in both RL and LFS? Are the HP of the RL car and LFS car similar? Are the torque curves similar? What about weight and distribution? What about the grip of the tyres?

If even one is a "no" your argument doesn't hold water.
March Hare
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Quote from RMachucaA :wrong.

The fastest way is to keep the car as straight as possible, everytime you loose traction on the rear wheels, its forward motion that is lost longitudaly, loosing that little bit of speed. It might be usefull in rallying, but not road racing.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear enough.

I should have emphasised the fact that I ment that you have to go around every corner in a slight four wheel drift.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Not this shit again.

Drifters go to the drift servers.

Racers go to the race servers.

Those who do both choose a server according to what you want to do now.

About the speed thing.
Fastest way around any track is a slight four wheel drift. Unfortunately this chews up your tyres very quickly and requires very much consentration so in a race you can't do that.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Are you sure that it's safe to have such a large quantity of NOS in one place?
March Hare
S2 licensed
Would be cool. Has been suggested before.
March Hare
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That's one small step for LFS. One giant leap for LFSers.
March Hare
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Doesn't it seem strange to you guys that JeffR is spouting on about the clutch not being realistic but at the same time uses an unrealistic controller setup?
March Hare
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Steam is a stupid and slow way of distributing and playing online games.

Hopefully LFS will never have anything to do with it.
March Hare
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Yes you can drive on the drag strip, but without a car with huge slicks in the back and tiny cartwheels on the front and humongous power it just isn't drag racing.

The oval is a track as any other (a very boring track but nevertheless a track) and we do have the BF1 and FO8 which are kind of close to an indy car (the american oval openwheeler). But there simply isn't anything close to a drag car in LFS.

PS. your VHPA, which is awesome, has trouble loading patch Y sets. Says they are the wrong version. Any updates coming?
March Hare
S2 licensed
Try contacting Michael Jackson.
March Hare
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That's the one thing the devs have made a real mess of in LFS.
Why include a drag strip and no cars to drive on it?

I'm don't find drag racing intresting. But some people do.

They should have left it out completely or made a car to go with it. Now the strip is just hanging there like a loose end with no real purpose or use.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Untill patch Z.
March Hare
S2 licensed
Maybe you should have used BY.
March Hare
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Can't you think of the clutch heat as a substitute for driveline failures? A learning tool for us before the damage model is updated.

I teaches us to shift properly and prevents some of the whining when, in the future, the devs add other driveline failures.

About flat shifting.
I think you lot are confusing "shifting with your foot to the floor" and "shifting with the engine at full blast". Before engine management this was the same thing. Nowadays it ain't.
That VW dual clutch is a whole different thing and none of the cars in LFS have that kind of transmission.

PS. JeffR, why aren't you posting the SPR file of your problem?
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March Hare
S2 licensed
What you are describing is understeer, not oversteer. But the rest of your argument is true, almost.

In LFS when tyres slip they heat up.

In real life they heat up from deformation too.
This is why tyres heat up even when driving in a straight line.The tyres sidewalls and contact patch are squished by the cars weight and that is what creates the deformation while driving normally, in real life. Centrifugal forces have very little to do with this.
In racing conditions the sharp turns, heavy braking and rapid acceleration cause more agressive deformation and as a result more heat.

IRL sliping causes heat too. When you lock up the tyres while braking. Spin the tyres while accelerating. Under- or oversteer in a corner. All these add to the heat load of the tyre.

In short: If you drive normally (every day trafic) your tyres wont cool down while going straight. As the heat load in the bends is not significantly greater.
If you race the heat load on the tyres is much greater in the bends than on the straights so your tyres will cool down while going straight, but not much. This is because the time spent on the straights is relatively short compared to the time spent in the bends.
March Hare
S2 licensed
mikespeed95, do you have a penis fixation?

Tell me one thing. How I, a really crap driver, can't seem to be able to burn the clutch unless I deliberately try. But you, the super 1337 zomgftwwtf!1!111oneoneelevenz driver and drift0rzer, have problems with it?

If you really want I can take a picture of my willy and send it to you for comparison. PM me with the details.
March Hare
S2 licensed
AHA! This camber change must be the reason I cook my fronts. I too would like to have the info on which cars and how much camber has changed.
I don't have the X installed on my comp anymore so if someone could gather the info I would appreciate it.
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